that those of us who came in at the tail end of this committee table, will not get on the tail end again.

The CHAIRMAN. I might say to the Senator from California that I have not forgotten the time when I was in that position on the committees.

General MACARTHUR. Senator, do you think you could clear me in another day? If you do, I will try to get down from New York to

morrow.

The CHAIRMAN, General, that is a matter wholly beyond my control. I do not know. I have no idea on earth what course the questions will take. I should be very happy if you could testify tomorrow. I will endeavor to do so, but I have no control over it.

Rather than make such assurance, I would prefer that you come back next week.

Senator WILEY. Let us try; at least we can get that out of the way tomorrow, and then come back for rebuttal, the rebuttal that Senator Morse has in mind.

Senator MCMAHON. Mr. Chairman, I did not hear what the last proposal was.

The CHAIRMAN. The general inquired of me as to whether or not I thought that the committee could finish with him if he came back tomorrow. I have stated that I could not answer that question. I have no idea as to what might develop in the course of this testimony.

Senator MCMAHON. Mr. Chairman, as I have told you, I looked at the clock, and I saw it was past 6 o'clock, but I have a great many more questions which I propose to address to the general, and I might add I have no apology for it at all, for the length of time that I take on this hearing.

The CHAIRMAN. I did not ask the Senator to apologize.

Senator MCMAHON. I realize that, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, I was not directing that remark to the chairman. I was putting it in the record.

I certainly want to apologize to the chairman if he thinks I was directing it to him.

The CHAIRMAN. I just want to have the record show that the chairman is not rushing you.

Senator SPARKMAN. Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question, please? Assuming we go over to next week, will a transcript of today's proceedings be available to us?

The CHAIRMAN. It will.

Senator SPARKMAN. It seems to me if we get that and look it over, we might easily shorten this whole thing because many of the questions that many of us had in mind undoubtedly have been sufficiently thrashed out.

We might shorten it by reviewing the transcript.

The CHAIRMAN. What the Senator says is correct.

I have gone over so many things two and three times here that he testified to exactly the same.

Senator SPARKMAN. And it is hard for us to keep them in mind, but we can easily check them if we have a transcript to go through. The CHAIRMAN. Of course.

Unfortunately, Senators are repetitious.

Senator CAIN. Mr. Chairman, would it be in order, sir, to bring the question before us, to move because of the general's consideration, in part, at least, that we meet tomorrow?

The CHAIRMAN. I will be delighted to meet tomorrow. That is not the question. I earnestly hope we can.

The question was whether we could conclude tomorrow.

That is a question I cannot answer.

Senator CAIN. I think that is a calculated risk.

Senator SPARKMAN. I earnestly believe we will save time by going

over.

Senator CAIN. I move you, sir, if I am so permitted, that we begin tomorrow morning at 9:30.

Senator LONG. Mr. Chairman, might I direct this question to the general?

If it would make any difference to him, considering the fact that there may be some divergence of opinion between his opinions, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he would have to come back tomorrow anyway, if he would still like to come tomorrow, or would he like to reserve that until later?

The CHAIRMAN. Well, I hope that we can conduct this hearing in an orderly manner. I, of course, will do that; if the general wishes not to return tomorrow, I will endeavor to get another witness here. Senator LONG. I was under the impression, Mr. Chairman, that the general might have felt that by coming back tomorrow we might not have to call him back later, and it is my guess that the probabilities are that after we hear the Joint Chiefs of Staff we might want to call him back anyway.

The CHAIRMAN. We cannot give those assurances that he will not be called back again.

I would like to, if we can, finish the testimony in chief at the very earliest possible date. That is what I desire to do.

Senator STENNIS. Well, let us come back tomorrow and try, if the general wishes to.

General MACARTHUR. I will come back tomorrow.

The CHAIRMAN. Then the committee stands in recess until tomorrow morning at 10:30.

(Whereupon, at 6:10 p. m., the committee adjourned, to reconvene Friday, May 4, 1951, at 10: 30 a. m.)

MILITARY SITUATION IN THE FAR EAST

FRIDAY, MAY 4, 1951

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES AND THE

COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,

UNITED STATES SENATE,

Washington, D. C.

The committees met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10:35 a. m., in the caucus room, Senate Office Building, Senator Richard B. Russell (chairman, Committee on Armed Services) presiding.

Present: Senators Russell (chairman, Committee on Armed Services), Connally (chairman, Committee on Foreign Relations), Wiley, Smith (New Jersey), Green, Hickenlooper, McMahon, Lodge, Fulbright, Tobey, Sparkman, Gillette, Bridges, Byrd, Saltonstall, Johnson (Texas), Morse, Kefauver, Knowland, Cain, Stennis, Flanders, and Long.

Also present: Mark H. Galusha and Verne D. Mudge, of the committee staff, Committee on Armed Services; Francis O. Wilcox, chief of staff; Thorsten V. Kalijarvi, staff associate, Committee on Foreign Relations; C. C. O'Day, clerk; and Pat M. Holt, associate clerk. The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

Gentlemen, the representatives of the press, the photographers of various press associations, have been most insistent that they be permitted to take pictures this morning. The committee was quiet lenient with them yesterday. They asked for 5 minutes and we gave them

nearer 12.

I wish to bring that matter to the attention of the committee. If the majority of the committee desires to allow a brief interlude for these pictures, we may be able to do so.

Senator FULBRIGHT. Could we do it at the end of the meeting instead of the beginning? It would be much less disruption.

Senator KNOWLAND. Mr. Chairman, before we proceed on that there is one question I would like to raise. I have gone over the original text of the hearings yesterday and the deletions.

The CHAIRMAN. I intend to make a statement on that, Senator. Is there any objection, then, to advising the photographers that they will be permitted a 5-minute period to take their pictures at the recess today?

I think I should tell you before action is taken that General MacArthur has been most cooperative with the committee in expediting these hearings. It was suggested either by him or General Whitney of his staff that we take a very brief recess today, that sandwiches and coffee be served here in the room and that we proceed in the hope that we might be able to conclude this phase of the inquiry today.

It has been my purpose, unless I am overriden by the committee or the committee expresses a contrary view, I should say, to take a very brief recess, say for some 30 minutes where we can have this coffee and sandwiches served here, and then resume the hearing. That should be considered in connection with any action taken with respect to the pictures.

We could, of course, permit the photographers in here then.

Senator HICKENLOOPER. Mr. Chairman, if you want comment, I think that is a very good idea.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean including letting the photographers in for 5 minutes?

Senator HICKENLOOPER. I have no objection to that.

The CHAIRMAN. If there is no objection, that course will be followed and Colonel Galusha, will you please notify the people out there with their cameras that when we take a recess it will probably be around 12:30 or between 12:30 and 1; that they will be permitted 5 minutes to come in and take pictures. The committee will remain in their seats and the general will be here, but that we are expecting them to clear this room immediately after they have had an opportunity to take a couple of shots.

Senator HICKENLOOPER. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Pardon me one moment. (Discussion off the record.)

CORRECTIONS IN PERMANENT RECORD

Senator HICKENLOOPER. Mr. Chairman, on the record, on page 147 of yesterday's transcript, included in a question of mine to General MacArthur is a misstatement. I may have used the word. I had no intention of using the word. It is in the last paragraph containing my question on page 147 in the words as follows: "which are to clear Korea of the Russians."

It is possible I used the word "Russians" in the question and I intended to use the word "Reds," and I would like the permission of the committee to have the record show that the word is "Reds" instead of "Russians."

The CHAIRMAN. I noticed a couple of errors, one of which I am

sure

Senator HICKENLOOPER. I would like General MacArthur's consent to make that change because it was in a question directed to him.

The CHAIRMAN. I noticed some typographical errors, one or two in my remarks that were not made that do not affect the context in any

way.

I think in the interests of that kind, that members of the committee should have an opportunity to correct the record before the permanent record is printed; if it in any way, shape, form or fashion changes the context of what was said, permission of the committee should be sought.

Senator HICKENLOOPER. That is why I asked the committee permission on this.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, Senator Hickenlooper will be permitted to make that correction in the record.

Now, gentlemen, General MacArthur has returned this morning for further questioning on the momentous issue that is before this committee.