MINUTES MONDAY, JUNE 8, 1953 UNITED STATES SENATE, COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATION, Washington, D.C. The subcommittee appointed to consider executive A, 82d Congress, first session, the North Atlantic Regional Broadcasting Agreement, met at 4:30 p.m. in the committee room. Present: Chairman Tobey, Senators Langer and Mansfield. Senator Johnson of Colorado was present also. Chairman Rosel H. Hyde of the Federal Communication Commission was present and testified. After some discussion it was decided to hold hearings on Executive A on July 1, 2, and 3. For record of proceedings, see official transcript. The subcommittee adjourned at 5:30 p.m. (525) REQUEST FOR A COMMITTEE TRANSCRIPT; MUTUAL SECURITY ACT-Continued '; SPANISH BASE AGREEMENTS TUESDAY, JUNE 9, 1953 UNITED STATES SENATE, COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, Washington, D.C. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10 a.m. in the Foreign Relations Committee room. U.S. Capitol Building, Senator Alexander Wiley (chairman), presiding. Present: Senators Wiley (chairman), Smith of New Jersey, Hickenlooper, Tobey, Langer, Knowland, George, Green, Fulbright, Sparkman, Humphrey, and Mansfield." Also present: C. Tyler Wood, Deputy to the Director for Mutual Security. Dr. Wilcox, Dr. Kalijarvi, Mr. Holt, Mr. Marcy, and Mr. O'Day, of the committee staff. REQUEST FOR A COMMITTEE TRANSCRIPT The CHAIRMAN. Some time ago Mr. [Robert] Kennedy of the staff of the Senate Investigating Committee 2-I understand he is Senator Kennedy's brother-called to know if he might see the transcript of Monday, May 25, covering the testimony of Kenneth Hansen, Acting Deputy Administrator of the Mutual Defense Control Act of 1951. Mr. Hansen has been the subject of investigation by their committee. Mr. Kennedy's attention was called to the regulations on the use of executive transcripts. His request does not come within the three groups listed on the end of the attached sheet showing the regulations. The question is, does the chairman wish to bring the question to the committee? He does. Mr. Kennedy called again yesterday and wanted to know if the committee had made any decision. The answer was we didn't have a quorum before, but we have got a quorum now, and the question is whether we are going to turn that over to that committee at the request of Mr. Kennedy, a member of the staff, the transcript of Kenneth Hansen's testimony taken on Monday, May 25. Senator KNOWLAND. What was the testimony in reference to? 1 See notes, p. 407. The Government Operations Committee's Permanent Investigations Subcommittee, chaired by Senator McCarthy. Senator SPARKMAN. Particularly those ships carrying Communist troops. Senator SMITH. Does the chairman of the committee ask for it or just the staff? I suppose it is by order of the chairman? The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Wilcox says just Mr. Kennedy has made the request. He comes in as a staff member of that committee. Senator HUMPHREY. I suppose he is acting in behalf of the chairman, isn't he? The CHAIRMAN. Why? TRANSCRIPT WILL BE EDITED FOR PUBLICATION Senator SPARKMAN. Mr. Chairman, I don't recall anything in the testimony that was supersecret. I don't see why not only he should have it but the public. I think it would be very helpful. I thought he made a very clear statement that would be helpful for the public to know. Now that might require some checking with him or with the State Department or with Mutual Security. I believe he is in Mutual Security. But it was the best report I have heard on the operation of the Battle Act, and I think it would be helpful to Congress and to the public generally to know it. Dr. Wilcox. It will be edited, Senator, for publication in a few days. Senator HICKENLOOPER. What is the editing? Is there any top secret information? Is it top secret? Senator SPARKMAN. I don't recall anything secret in it, but something may have been. Mr. Woon. There were some items that were classified that will have to be edited out. Senator FULBRIGHT. Just certain materials that they don't want them to know about? Senator HICKENLOOPER. By the editing I mean will the editing be to save embarrassment or to take out top secret information? Senator SPARKMAN. Classified stuff. Senator HICKENLOOPER. I imagine this will be available in printed form. I see no reason why he shouldn't have it. If there is any top secret information in it, if it is made available REQUIRE A FORMAL REQUEST FROM THE CHAIRMAN Senator KNOWLAND. I would think. Mr. Chairman, normally if another committee of the Senate requested it, it would seem to me we should have a formal request from the chairman of that committee to the chairman of this committee specifically making the request, because you might get into such an informal business that a staff man who was not representing the committee or the chairman-I don't think that is true in this case, but I am just thinking for our own protection on it that if a standing committee of the Senate through its chairman formally requested it, I would be inclined to let them have it, but I think it ought to be formalized. The CHAIRMAN. Well, let's get something on the record. If your motion is to that effect, will you please make it so? Senator FULBRIGHT. Is it going to be understood then that our executive record will be available to the McCarthy Committee from now on? I think we ought to understand it as a policy. Are they going to be available in all cases? Senator KNOWLAND. My motion does not apply to all of our executive hearings. It is true that this particular committee has been investigating this question of East-West trade. As I understand it, this particular testimony related to that subject which has been under investigation by the committee. My resolution would only apply to that, but I think we should have a formal letter of request and not merely a staff contact. JUDGE EACH CASE SEPARATELY Senator HICKENLOOPER. I think each instance should stand on its own feet. We have occasion to request information from other committees, but if the committee itself requests it, I think it would be all right. The CHAIRMAN. Is it the sense of the committee that when the chairman of that other committee, the Senate Investigating Committee, makes the request for the testimony of Kenneth Hansen, that Mr. Wilcox is authorized and directed to turn a copy thereof over to them? Senator FULBRIGHT. I don't approve of that. I think certainly it ought to be handled on each specific case. I think we create the knowledge that everything said here by anybody is available to any other committee, that it will tend to cause them to not say what they might. Senator SPARKMAN. It is restricted to the Hansen case. Senator FULBRIGHT. He said any time. Senator SPARKMAN. The chairman requested only the Hansen testimony. Senator FULBRIGHT. Then each case ought to be handled by this committee. Senator KNOWLAND. That is what I am talking about. For instance, supposing we were dealing with something that related to taxation, maybe a treaty on taxation. If the Senate Committee on Finance, whether Senator George should be the chairman of it or Senator Millikin should be the chairman of it, but it was clearly in their field, that might be helpful to them in their particular problem, if they made a formal request dealing with an item which was before them, I would certainly give great weight to that, but I wouldn't think the Finance Committee should have things dealing with military problems, for instance, just on a general fishing expedition. Senator FULBRIGHT. I would too, but there are committees and committees. I think we ought to pass upon them individually. Senator KNOWLAND. I do too. I am not suggesting a blanket proposal, but only that this happens to be dealing with a subject which they have been investigating. THE PROPOSITION RESTATED The CHAIRMAN. Then I will restate the proposition. It is the sense of this committee that Mr. Wilcox is authorized to turn over to Mr. Kennedy of the Senate Investigating Committee the testimony of |