Senator BYRD. I understand from General Mudge that the appendix is in galley proof, and will be printed immediately, is that correct, General? Senator KNOWLAND. I wanted the record to be clear on that. Senator HUNT. Mr. Chairman, I do not want to belabor this point of mine, please, but Senator MCMAHON. Senator Knowland, I am going to be against that. I want you to know that before you go. Senator HUNT. I wish to state that I believe the resolution by Senator Saltonstall should be made part of the report that you make to Congress. Chairman RUSSELL. That is the only report we are going to make. Chairman RUSSELL. I cannot understand how you are going to do more if it is a report than incorporate it in the report. Senator HUNT. I want it to be made very clear to the public, and that is the proper way to do it, that this is neither a majority or a minority report, by virtue of a motion by this body, by this committee. Senator BYRD. It says so. Senator HICKENLOOPER. Mr. Chairman, this entire record will be in the report, including the motion. Chairman RUSSELL. That the committee-just a moment, gentlemen, and then I will undertake to recognize all Senators-that the committee's view is that the committees transmit and report to the Senate for its information the hearings and the records, with their appendixes; that the committee file no further report; that no views or conclusions be stated as a majority or minority view; that members be permitted before September 1 to file their views and conclusions with the chairman, and that said views and conclusions be printed in the appendix. Senator GREEN. Mr. Chairman? Senator HUNT. That will be printed in the formal report that we make to the Congress? Chairman RUSSELL. No, sir. This will be attached to this record and transmitted to the Congress as the report. Senator JOHNSON. That is the report. Senator BYRD. That will be the beginning of the report. Senator HUNT. I want to look very carefully when the report is on my desk to see if that wording is contained in the report that is laid on my desk by the Senator. Senator GREEN. Mr. Chairman? Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Connally was seeking recognition, and then Senator Cain wishes to be recognized. Chairman CONNALLY. Does it say they will state those views by September 1? Chairman RUSSELL. That is right. Now, Senator Cain? Chairman CONNALLY. And it says their views? Chairman RUSSELL. That is right. Chairman CONNALLY. Well, you did not read it that way to start with. Chairman RUSSELL. September 1 to file their views and conclusions; I read it four or five times. The Chair recognizes the Senator from Washington. My understanding of this motion is that its adoption will permit the Senator from Washington or any other member of the joint committee to file his own views today or any other time prior to and including, I suppose, September 1, and from the minute the motion is adopted, it makes every Senator a free agent to make whatever comments he wishes. Chairman RUSSELL. Of course. Senator MCMAHON. Can I comment on that? Chairman RUSSELL. I will recognize the Senator from Connecticut as soon as the Senator from Rhode Island has concluded. Senator GREEN. Mr. Chairman, I think it is very unfortunate wording. You say that it shall not be a majority or minority report, and you merely make provision where it should be a majority and minority report. It makes us almost ridiculous. That is the reason I move to strike out the latter phrase. Senator BYRD. Senator, how are you going to keep a Senator from having an opinion? Senator GREEN. I do not want to keep him from having an opinion; I want him to be limited to his individual discretion as to whether he wants to make it public or not, but I do not think this committee ought to further that by saying in one place that we do not want a majority and minority report, and immediately make a provision whereby there will be a majority and minority report. Senator BYRD. A man makes an individual expression, he has an individual opinion, and that is neither a minority nor a majority in the sense that we use those terms. Senator GREEN. We ought not to have anything to do with that, Senator, that is the point. We ought to let them express their views. I hope they will not, but they ought to-they have the right to. Every Senator can express his views in any way he chooses, on the radio, in the press, in magazine articles, on the stump, anyway, and he can say anything he wants to. But we ought not to add that they can file it and have it printed as a part of the report, that is my point. Chairman RUSSELL. The Senator from Connecticut, who is seeking recognition. Senator MCMAHON. Mr. Chairman, there is a great deal of truth in what the Senator from Rhode Island said. I certainly am the last to deny any Senator or try to deny the right to express his views. I see the purpose of the comments of the Senator from California and the Senator from Washington. They wish to go out of this meeting and hand out to the press the views which they have arrived at after caucusing with those who have subscribed to them. I regard that as most unfortunate. Chairman CONNALLY. Let me ask you a question. Senator MCMAHON. Yes. Chairman RUSSELL. Will the Senator yield? Senator MCMAHON. I yield. Chairman CONNALLY. Suppose we do not do anything about it? What is to prevent them from doing any such thing? They could go out and hand out that statement and say that it represents the views of eight members, and so forth, and so on, irrespective of what we do here. Senator MCMAHON. I agree that is what can be done, and I don't deny their right. I am protesting that way, however, of exercising their privilege, if you want to call it that. Chairman CONNALLY. I grant you that. Senator MCMAHON. You and I and all the rest of the members of this committee sat here pretty religiously and heard this testimony, and we were to be called together to determine whether or not this committee would make a report. Now, I have not been busy caucusing with you or with the members of the majority trying to frame up any views. I came here ready to discuss whether or not we should express any views, and I find now that a junta has met and caucused, and have arrived at some views which they have not seen fit to express to you or to me, but now wish to run out and give to the press. I think common courtesy would demand that if this is what they intend to do that they should grant to the rest of us the right to write out our views and release them all together. But that is not what they want to do.' They want to jump the gun, and I just want the record to show what they are trying to do. Chairman CONNALLY. There is nothing to prevent them from doing it. They jump the gun every day here in the press. Chairman RUSSELL. Let us have order. Senator CAIN. Mr. Chairman, this observation, sir, will take just a minute, but my friend, the Senator from Connecticut, has made reference to the Senator from California and the Senator from Wash- . ington. Now, the one and more members of this joint committee to which the Senator from Connecticut has referred, have devoted hours and days and weeks of thought and study and conviction to the preparation of their views. Those views were committed to paper, as I have pointed out to the Senator from Connecticut, more than a month ago. Senator MCMAHON. I did not get them. Senator CAIN. Out of courtesy and consideration and in the name of just common decency, no word with reference to the substance of those intended views has been discussed in the press. We came this morning to find out what the wishes of the committee were to be. The committee, by a substantial majority, has said that it intends to issue no report. Neither Senator Knowland nor I or anybody else have criticised the decision. But from now on we will feel perfectly at liberty to make it known how we felt about those long weeks of hearings. Senator LONG. Mr. Chairman, might I suggest before we finally close these hearings, that this document here by Mr. Harriman, I think, should be made a part of the record. Chairman RUSSELL. That and a statement by General Chennault and a statement received by Senator Smith have all been adopted for the purpose of being printed in the record. Senator SMITH. Mr. Chairman, what are we voting on now, the Saltonstall substitute? it. Senator GREEN. I had an amendment. Perhaps you have not heard Chairman RUSSELL. Yes, sir, I heard one, but the amendment was changed. If you will suggest your amendment again now, you want to strike out that "said views be printed in the appendix." Senator GREEN. That is right. Chairman RUSSELL. Gentlemen, you have heard the amendment of the Senator from Rhode Island. Those who favor the amendment will say "aye." Senator GREEN. Aye. Senator MCMAHON. Aye. Chairman RUSSELL. Those opposed will say "No." (There was a chorus of "noes.") Chairman RUSSELL. The "noes" appear to have it. The question recurs to the original Saltonstall motion, and the clerk will call the roll. Senator HICKENLOOPER. Is that according to Senator Byrd's discussion a moment ago? Chairman RUSSELL. I shall read it again. Senator SMITH. Just read it again. Chairman RUSSELL: That the committees transmit and report to the Senate for its information the hearings and the records with their appendixes; that the committee file no further report; that no views or conclusions be denominated as the majority or minority views or conclusions, but that members be permitted before September 1 to file their views and conclusions with the chairman, and that said views be printed in the appendix. The clerk will call the roll. Senator SMITH. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Hickenlooper? Senator HICKENLOOPER. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Lodge? (No response.) The CLERK. Mr. Tobey? (No response.) The CLERK. Mr. Brewster? (No response.) The CLERK. Mr. Chairman Connally? Chairman CONNALLY. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Byrd? Senator BYRD. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Johnson? The CLERK. Mr. Saltonstall? The CLERK. Mr. Cain? Senator CAIN. No. The CLERK. Mr. Flanders? Senator FLANDERS. Aye. The CLERK. Mr. Chairman Russell? Chairman RUSSELL. Aye. The CLERK. Senators recorded in the affirmative are Messrs. George, Green, McMahon, Fulbright, Sparkman, Gillette, Wiley, Smith, Hickenlooper, Chairman Connally, Byrd, Johnson, Kefauver, Hunt, Stennis, Long, Saltonstall, Morse, Flanders, and Chairman Russell. Senators recorded in the negative are Messrs. Bridges, Knowland, and Cain. Senator CAIN. Mr. Chairman ? Chairman RUSSELL. Senator Cain. Senator CAIN. May I, sir, offer to you the views on the question before us as they come from the junior Senator from Washington? Senator GREEN. What is the vote? Chairman RUSSELL. The vote on this motion was "ayes" 20, and "nays" 3, and the motion, therefore, prevails. The Senator may file his views, to be printed in the appendix. (NOTE.-This, and other material submitted in response to the committee resolution set forth above, appear in the appendix in the order of submission, beginning on p. 3558.) Senator HICKENLOOPER. Mr. Chairman, I would like to have the record show at this point, show clearly, that my vote of "aye" on this motion is rather a difficult one because I have clearly stated, and I still maintain, that the committee should file a report, so that when I vote "aye" on the question it does not mean that I approve that part of the Saltonstall motion which says they should file no report. Chairman RUSSELL. You mean this is better than nothing at all. Senator HICKENLOOPER. I voted "aye" on the theory and for the reason that the motion having been defeated, the motion of Senator 83797-51-pt. 5- -3 |