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of Michigan reports. But here you have the University of Michigan being apparently thrown out of the country because there are so many things about his administration that they do not like.

God knows, I want to do what we can to support a strong nonCommunist regime in South Vietnam. But what bothers me is whether or not we are not going to find ourselves in the position where we have our money on the wrong man.

The CHAIRMAN. That is just exactly what I was trying to develop. Is there any alternative to this fellow? Is he the best one we can find to support, and who could inspire the allegiance of the people, the non-Communist people, in the country?

Mr. HARRIMAN. Even the coup of a year ago last November did not suggest an alternative.

The CHAIRMAN. There was a man here-I always have trouble with their names~I was told he was one of the most intelligent men down there. We had luncheon with him, and he was putting their finances in order, and they fired him. He quit. He was here, and we were told that this is the hope, you know, of the future. This is one of the close associates of Diem. He was installing a system of taxation, and so on and so on, and he went back, and it was not any time until he quit. To me it seemed very disturbing.

Do you know anything about that? Mr. HARRIMAN. Yes. I saw him. I would rather not have this put in the record. Discussion off the record.) The CHAIRMAN. The committee is adjourned. (Whereupon, at 1:25 p.m., the committee adjourned.]

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MINUTES

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 1962

U.S. SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON AFRICAN AFFAIRS,
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,

Washington, DC
The subcommittee met in executive session at 10 a.m., in room
F-53, Capitol.

Present: Senator Gore (subcommittee chairman), and Senators Church and Dodd. Senator Symington also attended.

Harlan Cleveland, Assistant Secretary of the State for International Organization Affairs, briefed the committee on the situation in the Congo. [The subcommittee recessed at 12:05 p.m.]

AFTERNOON SESSION The subcommittee reconvened in executive session at 3:10 p.m., in room F-37, Capitol.

Present: Senator Gore (subcommittee chairman) and Senator Dodd.

Assistant Secretary of State Harlan Cleveland continued his testimony. Robert Eisenberg, Deputy Director, Office of Central African Affairs, also testified.

For record of the proceedings, see the official transcript. [The subcommittee adjourned at 5:50 p.m.]

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TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1962

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U.S SENATE,
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,

Washington, DC. The committee continued into executive session at 12:10 p.m., in room 4221, New Senate Office Building.

Present: Chairman Fulbright, and Senators Sparkman, Gore, Carlson, and Williams.

The committee approved for report sundry nominations in the Foreign Service among them being the promotion of John Calvin Hill from Class 3 to Class 2.

The committee also approved for report amendments 10(a)(2) and 13 to the Convention of the World Meteorological Organization (Executive F, 87th Congress, 1st Session), and amendment to the first sentence of subparagraph A. 3 of article VI of the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency approved by the General Conference of the Agency, October 4, 1961 (Executive A, 87th Congress, 2nd Session).

The committee passed over the International Convention for Safety of Life at Sea, 1960 (Executive K, 87th Congress, 1st Session.) For record of the proceedings, see the official transcript. [The committee then adjourned at 12:20 p.m.]

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THE SITUATION IN THAILAND

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1962

U.S. SENATE,
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,

Washington, DC The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 3:30 p.m., in room F-53, U.S. Capitol Building, Hon. J. William Fulbright (chairman of the committee) presiding.

Present: Chairman Fulbright and Senators Sparkman, Gore, Hickenlooper, Aiken, Capehart, and Williams.

Also present: Mr. Marcy and Mr. Newhouse of the committee staff.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

We are very pleased to have Ambassador Harriman, Mr. Chayes, and Mr. Dutton with us.

You may proceed, Mr. Ambassador. We are glad to see you again.

STATEMENT OF HON. AVERELL HARRIMAN, ASSISTANT SECRE-
TARY OF STATE FOR FAR EASTERN AFFAIRS, ACCOMPANIED
BY ABRAM CHAYES, LEGAL ADVISER
Mr. HARRIMAN. Thank you.

I will attempt to make it very brief. I am here at the request of the President and Secretary of State to advise you of certain developments in our relationship with Thailand, Mr. Chairman.

We value our relations with that vigorous country very much. Thailand is one of the important countries in Southeast Asia. She is a member of the SEATO Organization, the Southeast Asia Defense Pact.

Prime Minister Sarit and Mr. Thanat, who is the Foreign Minister, have become somewhat concerned over the manner in which SEATO has been functioning. It came to a head over Laos, because they had hoped there that SEATO would agree to intervene militarily in Laos, and protect against the Communist support of the Pathet Lao and Souvanna Phouma.

CHANGE IN SEATO VOTING PROCEDURE SUGGESTED

There have been discussions throughout the summer about the wisdom of making an agreement, coming to an agreement, of a coalition government with Souvanna Phouma as the Prime Minister. There has been a feeling that he has been too much with Moscow and Peking, and he is too close with the Pathet Lao and the Communist; whereas we and most of the other members of SEATO felt

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