The figure of $399,000 is somewhat of an arbitrary figure which the Bureau of the Budget established, subject to a later determination of what the true cost would be, and that amount, when reestablished, will be transferred to GSA.

Mr. FLOOD. That is the item you have set forth on page 466, under the "international information and educational activities," for the Department of State requirements, deductions under comparative transfers for operating expenses, General Services Administration, for rents paid by GSA?

Mr. WILBER. That is correct, sir.

Mr. FLOOD. That is the same figure?

Mr. WILBER. That is correct, sir; we will transfer the additional amount of $218,000.

Mr. FLOOD. But it does include the New York proposition?

Mr. WILBER. Yes, sir; in its entirety. That is predicated, Mr. Flood, I think I should add, on the basis that we will not have a building available during 1952. If we get a building prior to that time some of this rent would not be required.

PERSONAL SERVICE

Mr. FLOOD. The other item on page 705, in which I am interested, is your "Personal services" in the amount of $3,811,339. Who will explain that for me?

Mr. WILBER. I would be glad to do that, Mr. Chairman. That, again, is broken down under three categories.

Mr. FLOOD. Yes.

Mr. WILBER. The "Program support," the "Administrative support, departmental," and the "Administrative support, foreign serv

Mr. FLOOD. On which page is each one of those subheadings?

PROGRAM SUPPORT

Mr. WILBER. The "Program support" is on page 707.

Mr. FLOOD. Without objection we will insert that page in the record at this point.

Mr. WILBER. Actually it goes on to pages 708 and 709.

Mr. FLOOD. We shall insert those pages also.

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Mr. WILBER. The "Administrative support, domestic," which we will find on pages 718, 719, and 720.

Mr. FLOOD. Without objection, for that purpose at this point we will insert those pages in the record.

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Mr. WILBER. The personnel for the Foreign Service will be found on pages 725, 726, and 727.

Mr. FLOOD. Without objection, for that purpose at this point in the record we will insert those pages.

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Mr. WILBER. I will be glad to speak to the increases under those particular headings, if you do not mind, Mr. Flood.

Mr. FLOOD. I wish you would. Let us take them up by item.

OFFICE OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS

Mr. WILBER. The first increase, shown on page 708, is an increase of 6 positions in the office of the Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs. I believe Mr. Barrett will wish to speak to that increase.

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir. That increase is of 6 jobs averaging $5,000odd per job and is made necessary simply by the increased workload in that office.

For example, the number of inquiries coming into that office in the form of letters and phone calls has more than doubled in the last 6 months, because of the great interest in the program and in the en

tire field of the activity. I find I have to have one man who will do nothing but interview reputable and important individuals who have ideas that they would like to contribute to this program, and to evaluate those ideas.

It is a general reflection, sir, of the fact that nothing would be more unwise than to have a program of this size and complexity, operating in innumerable media in 60-odd countries of the world, without adequate supervision at my level.

Mr. FLOOD. Are you satisfied you can get that kind of supervision? Do you have that kind of people in mind? Have you talked to any such people, so that you can get the five or six, or do you have them

in mind?

Mr. BARRETT. I do not have the six in mind, but I have three in mind, sir.

Mr. FLOOD. For the time being you have three in mind, and you are projecting the six for the entire fiscal period?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. FLOOD. What are the three most immediate needs you have for which you have these three people in mind, out of these six? What would be their three specialties?

Mr. BARRETT. One is simply the handling of the heavy correspondence that cannot be done by a clerical-level person, the correspondence that I personally and my immediate assistant cannot handle.

Another is this interviewing job, this idea man, for interviewing these people with suggestions and ideas that come in, and some of which pay off. About 1 percent of them prove to be really worth while.

The third, as I believe it is set up here, is an assistant to my staff assistant who is now working horrible hours per day.

Mr. FLOOD. They would all be at $5,000 a year each?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir; that is the average. The remaining are the clerical help, the stenographers, and what-not.

Mr. FLOOD. You are not going to get this high-level man at the Government salary levels now for $5,000 to run that kind of office. Mr. BARRETT. No, sir; but that is an average. One of these men will be about an $8,000-a-year man, to handle the correspondence. Then he will have a secretary who will be probably in the $2,000-odd

category.

Mr. FLOOD. If you run into trouble, that is the kind of problem you run into trouble with.

Mr. BARRETT. That is right.

Mr. FLOOD. He had better be good.

Mr. BARRETT. That is right, sir. I know what you mean.

Mr. FLOOD. All right, Mr. Wilber.

DIVISION OF PUBLICATIONS

Mr. WILBER. The next office which has staff financed under this heading is the Division of Publications.

Mr. FLOOD. On what page?

Mr. WILBER. Again on page 708, Mr. Flood. We requested and 10 positions were approved last year, and we are continuing those 10 positions this year for 1952. There is no increase.

Mr. FLOOD. Yes.

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