Mr. ROONEY. You have to add 67 on the first list. You see, there are three separate divisions.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. CLEVENGER. I will admit that I have gotten some light from listening to the statements today. Your answers today are quite at variance from the ones that you gave when you were up here before seeking a supplemental, but I am still a little bit at sea in not knowing just what all of these people are doing. It reminds me a little of the story they used to tell when I was a kid about our old friend, Daniel Webster. His father said that he had gone to town, and when he came back he met his older brother, Ezekiel. He said, "What have you been doing today"? He said, "I have been doing nothing, just fishing a little.' He drove a little closer to the barn, and asked Dan, "What have you been doing today"? He said, "Well, I was helping Zeke."

Now, Dan came to Congress afterward and he had the answers. That is about as vague as some of the information we have gotten here today about just what you do.

I thought myself that surely you must have somebody out in field checking these various areas, but it is just the evaluation of such material as it is brought back to Washington.

Mr. ROONEY. On your trips overseas you have seen in the embassies people cutting clippings from newspapers and magazines? Mr. CLEVENGER. Yes.

Mr. ROONEY. They are sent back here.

Mr. CLEVENGER. We spend this $2,587,000 gathering clippings here in Washington and putting them together. I can begin to understand now why we had no information on the movement down into Korea on the 25th of June. I was intrigued a little bit too by my friend's remarks about the British intelligence, and I am wondering if we might not ask them who checked on Dr. Fuchs. We probably would not have had the atomic-bomb explosion to check if the British intelligence had done its job with that doctor who probably carried back the secret through Mr. Gold and his friends in our country. So, I do not think we have to apologize to them. It seems as though this free world intelligence is none too good at the best, if we could judgethe western countries here for such a fallible system.

SECURITY CHECKS ON EMPLOYEES

I have scratched off most of my questions, but I wonder did you check your own section carefully for security and for these peculiar risks incident to the Department?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Sir, we do not make an official check beyond that which is made by Mr. Humelsine and his people who have the regular and full responsibility for that. We do, as any persons who are responsible for a group do, try to assure ourselves on the basis of our personal observation that the people are all that they are purporting to be, but we do not have authority, we have no authority to investigate or do investigating of that sort.

Mr. ROONEY. I have one question off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. ROONEY. What time of day does your work start?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. With the military briefing we start at 7 o'clock in the Pentagon Building, bring the information back to the Department,

prepare a daily set of facts for the Secretary. The rest of the organization starts at various times from then on until 8:45 o'clock, the official hour.

Mr. ROONEY. Your office advises the Secretary with regard to the military situation in Korea?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. That is correct. We have also had, since June 25, a "watch room," which operates about 18 hours a day, picking up everything that comes in as rapidly as it is possible to get it into use for the daily morning briefing of the Secretary and for others.

Mr. ROONEY. How many people do you have engaged in that activity?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. It varies from a minimum of two to approximately five.

BUREAU OF INTER-AMERICAN AFFAIRS

WITNESSES

THOMAS C. MANN, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERAMERICAN AFFAIRS

WILLIAM P. HUGHES, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF INTERAMERICAN AFFAIRS

CARLISLE H. HUMELSINE, DEPUTY UNDER SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION

EDWARD B. WILBER, BUDGET OFFICER, DEPARTMENT OF STATE

Mr. ROONEY. The next and last item for our consideration this afternoon, gentlemen, is that for the Bureau of Inter-American Affairs, which appears at page 38 of the justifications, insofar as the domestic side thereof is concerned.

It should be noted that the amount requested is $740,820, which is the same amount appropriated for the domestic side of the Bureau of Inter-American Affairs in the current fiscal year, and the number of positions is the same, to wit, 127.

ABSENCE OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY

I understand that Secretary Miller is now in South America? Mr. MANN. Yes. I understand he obtained permission from the committee.

Mr. ROONEY. He did something that is so unusual that it should be mentioned here for the record; he telephoned and courteously stated he contemplated going to South America on important official business and asked if it would be all right with the committee.

The Bureau of Inter-American Affairs Foreign Service, is to be found beginning on page 41 of the justifications, which page reflects a requested increase of $100,141 over the amount allowed for this activity in the current fiscal year. We will insert at this point in the record pages 38, 41, 42, and 43 of the justifications.

1. Perfection with the other American countries of regional and global arrangements for maintaining international peace.

2. Achievement of political democracy and stability in all the American republics.

3. Attain full acceptance and understanding of the United States policy of nonintervention in the internal or external affairs of any American republic.

Bureau of Inter-American Affairs-Foreign Service-Summary by allotment

Bureau of Inter-American Affairs-Foreign Service-Salaries and differentials

Bureau of Inter-American Affairs, Foreign Service-Justification of positions by

NOTE. In addition to the positions shown above for the security functions, 83 Marine guard positions were allocated in 1950 and 89 budgeted for 1951 and 1952.

Mr. ROONEY. Do you have a prepared general statement, Mr. Mann?

Mr. MANN. I have no prepared statement, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. ROONEY. Do you have a statement from Mr. Miller?

Mr. MANN. No. I am prepared to answer any question the committee might have.

Mr. ROONEY. You are in the position of asking for an increase of $100,141 over and above what you have for the current fiscal year. You are not in the position of defending what you now have; you are seeking to get something more. You had better tell us about it.

EXPLANATION OF INCREASES

Mr. HUGHES. If I might, I would like to speak to that, since it involves a number of rather small items, with no basic increase in personnel.

Mr. RoONEY. The $100,141?

Mr. HUGHES. Yes. It is made up of some six small items which total the $100,141-$87,814 is made up of the item in salaries and differentials.

Mr. RoONEY. What is the breakdown on that figure?

Mr. HUGHES. $63,120 is the salary increases, due to within-grade increases for people already on the rolls.

Mr. WILBER. That is statutory.

Mr. HUGHES. That is a statutory increase: $21,200 is the result of one extra workday in the fiscal year 1952; $1,194 is an increase in the differential payment that we estimated for the fiscal year 1952; $2,300 is a reduction in the lapse rate for people who will be on the roll in 1952.

Mr. ROONEY. The total of those figures you have given us is $87.814?

Mr. HUGHES. That is correct.

Mr. ROONEY. And are all mandatory?

Mr. HUGHES. They are mandatory.

Mr. ROONEY. Do you propose to use any of these funds for upgrading of personnel if this amount were appropriated?

Mr. HUGHES. No, sir, not in that figure.

Mr. RoONEY. Or any figure connected with this request?

Mr. HUGHES. Nothing connected with this. We do not have any basic promotion program in here, in this figure, that we are talking

to now.

Mr. ROONEY. What is the $11,104?

Mr. HUGHES. The $11,104 is made up of two items of increases in allowances: $10,154 is increase in temporary lodging allowances, and $950 is increase in transfer allowances that we have estimated for 1952. Mr. ROONEY. Why do you request this increase if you are not increasing personnel?

Mr. HUGHES. That comes about because of the transfer of people that we estimate in 1952. The temporary lodging increase grows out of the fact that we estimate there will be a longer period of time that people will have to go through in finding suitable quarters, upon first arrival, which is one of the biggest single items we have in 1952.

Mr. ROONEY. Did you estimate an amount for this in the current fiscal year?